Discussion:
Breton pagan figures
(trop ancien pour répondre)
David Dalton
2015-07-03 05:22:13 UTC
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Who are some past Breton pagan figures similar to
the Irish Fintan, Amergin, and Fionn, and the
Welsh Taliesin (Gwion), Myrddin, and Lleu?

Some on here might be interested in my Salmon on the Thorns
web page http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html
where I describe my past mystic experiences including
my naked sun stare, thorn hill climb, and blue rose
vision of 1991, four more waning crescent highs from
1993 to 1994, and eight waxing gibbous moon trials
from 1992 to 1997, with waning crescent high onset
coming 5.5 lunar months after waxing gibbous moon
trial onset three times in 1993 to 1994.

I am particularly interested in finding out about
any past Breton pagan figures similar to me (I list some,
including Taliesin, The Turquoise Bee, and Jesus,
on the web page).

The period of seven years of low years might turn
up in tales of such figures (e.g. the Buddha's
seven years of ascetic years before he reached
awakening/enlightenment), but in my case I have
gone over 19 years since my low years began, so
long I think since I have had access to modern
medications which have eased my suffering so
perhaps I have had to go longer to suffer as much.
--
David Dalton ***@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"Was it in your higher wisdom/that you turned your light from me/Or was
it just your sense of humor/that for a moment I should see" (Ferron)
Jeannotin
2015-07-08 08:02:41 UTC
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There's no vestige of the assumend Breton
pagan litterature that should be compared
to the Welsh and the Irish one. Some scholars
have tried to do connections between the figures
you evoked and some catholic and folkloric
Breton characters. But it seems to be misused
interpretation.
David Dalton
2015-07-09 04:44:56 UTC
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Post by Jeannotin
There's no vestige of the assumend Breton
pagan litterature that should be compared
to the Welsh and the Irish one. Some scholars
have tried to do connections between the figures
you evoked and some catholic and folkloric
Breton characters. But it seems to be misused
interpretation.
What scholars, and do you have pointers to their
writing?
--
David Dalton ***@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"Was it in your higher wisdom/that you turned your light from me/Or was
it just your sense of humor/that for a moment I should see" (Ferron)
Jeannotin
2015-07-13 18:53:16 UTC
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Dear former Turquoise Bee,

I think that the books by Jean Markale could fit with your research.

I hope you won't be eaten by the Turquoise Spider.
David Dalton
2015-07-14 02:54:40 UTC
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Post by Jeannotin
Dear former Turquoise Bee,
I am not claiming to be the reincarnation of any of
the figures I listed, including the Turquoise Bee
(Tsangyang Gyatso, Tibet's Sixth Dalai Lama).
Post by Jeannotin
I think that the books by Jean Markale could fit with your research.
Thanks for that reference, I have jotted down his name
for future reference
Post by Jeannotin
I hope you won't be eaten by the Turquoise Spider.
No, but I did have a blue rose vision, and the shade
was not far off from turquoise, which is why I think
the Turquoise Bee had a similar vision.

Thanks again,
DRD
--
David Dalton ***@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"When the train, it left the station, with two lights on behind
Well, the blue light was my blues, and the red light was my mind" (R.J.)
David Dalton
2015-07-14 03:57:26 UTC
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Post by David Dalton
Post by Jeannotin
Dear former Turquoise Bee,
I am not claiming to be the reincarnation of any of
the figures I listed, including the Turquoise Bee
(Tsangyang Gyatso, Tibet's Sixth Dalai Lama).
But Tsangyang Gyatso is said to have become Dalai Lama
at the age of 14 and died or disappeared at the age
of 23, which seems too young for him to be considered
one of the avatar types who are older, e.g. 35 for
the Buddha, by the time they come out of the low years
and become productive.

But I have a section on him at
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/buddhism.html#TBEE
which says

"The first parallel of The Turquoise Bee with me is his name. The name
indicates to me that he had a turquoise rose vision, and my blue rose
vision was not too far off from turquoise in colour.

The second parallel comes in one of his poems, which is

The dragon-demon's thorns
Should be neither feared nor ignored
Without hesitation
I'll pick the sweet sugar apple in front.

Now the thorns in that I interpret as being like the thorns in my naked
thorn hill climb, and the sweet sugar apple in front I interpret as the
throbbing sun of my sun stare just before the naked thorn hill climb.
With the linkage of his name to the blue rose vision, that means there
is some indication of all three of the sun stare, thorn hill climb, and
blue rose vision for him."


But due to his supposed young age when he was successful
as a lover and poet and songwriter and religious leader,
I guess I will have to research him further.
--
David Dalton ***@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"When the train, it left the station, with two lights on behind
Well, the blue light was my blues, and the red light was my mind" (R.J.)
David Dalton
2015-07-14 04:08:13 UTC
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Post by David Dalton
But due to his supposed young age when he was successful
as a lover and poet and songwriter and religious leader,
I guess I will have to research him further.
However note that I was successful academically while young
and may even resume my Ph.D. in geophysics in September
unless a better option presents itself soon.
--
David Dalton ***@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"When the train, it left the station, with two lights on behind
Well, the blue light was my blues, and the red light was my mind" (R.J.)
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